Corinna and Nina rant and complain about the current “Gender Critical” online discourse. What is a lesbian? Is Corinna gay, or homosexual? Is DARVO a floor wax, or a dessert topping? Although we perpetuate the problem by talking about it, by the end we propose a solution. You’ll hear lots of misgendering, talk of Nina’s sex-pozzie San Francisco days (again, sorry), and references to IQ points. You won’t hear our usual intro and outro, because Nina had to edit this one while Corinna left town and couldn’t send the files. 

Links:

“Stella O’Malley on Lesbians”: ⁠https://twitter.com/iseult/status/1756099230236573970⁠

The Lesbian Heresy by Sheila Jeffreys: ⁠https://archive.org/details/lesbianheresyfem0000jeff⁠

Sex is real, people are weird: ⁠https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/⁠

Our die-in meme: ⁠https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1757068677910831464

Andrew Doyle: Reflections on the Online Mob: ⁠https://andrewdoyle.substack.com/p/reflections-on-the-online-mob⁠

Nina tries to school a teacher about pronouns: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1750896492930339257

Filmmaker and former pediatric nurse ⁠Jennifer Lah⁠l’s latest short documentary, ⁠The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood⁠, focuses on male detransitioners. We discuss film distribution, the festival circuit, crowdfunding, straight-to-online, subtitles (“How do you say ‘chopped off his penis’ in Spanish?”), the obsolescence of DVDs, Jennifer’s ex-boyfriend from her nursing school days, “trans healthcare”, the ⁠Crying Chicken Lady⁠ who says children should be driving, and Corinna’s search for teen alpacahood. Lahl alleges this is her last film (we don’t believe her) so ⁠watch it online for free right now.⁠

Links:

The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network: ⁠https://cbc-network.org/⁠

The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood ⁠https://youtu.be/AaiicS2HXW4?si=3CKcnEQIovXsHlQm⁠

The Detransition Diaries: Saving Our Sisters ⁠https://youtu.be/910JVOJSM2I?si=KE4_kz_a1iWc9EY3⁠

Trans Mission: What’s the Rush to Reassign Gender? ⁠https://youtu.be/rUeqEoARKOA?si=zdPYT_4V-T-JF3e4⁠

Jennifer Lahl on Twitter: ⁠https://twitter.com/JenniferLahl⁠

Heterodorx’s Ray Alex Williams episode: ⁠https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-121-unblinded-by-the-light-with-ray-alex-williams/

After Corinna complains about an ⁠obnoxious and possibly libelous article in the Washington Post⁠, the Dorx welcome legal scholar, philosopher, vegan, and animal rights activist ⁠Dr. Gary Francione⁠. We discuss Equality Claims vs Belief Claims, old-school transsexuals, admitting you’re wrong, ⁠Andrea Dworkin⁠, nonviolence, intersectionality, and the principles of a liberal pluralistic society. Can we police fetishes? Who’s Afraid of Kathleen Stock? Why are vegans extra crazy? Does Corinna really not want to be a Good Person? What is “harm”? Despite Corinna disparaging young people going vegan, and Nina swearing a lot about Crohn’s disease, Dr. Francione offers a banquet of (plant-based) food for thought.

Links

Gary Francione’s website: ⁠https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/⁠

Gary Francione’s essay on the Trans Rights Issue: ⁠https://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-trans-rights-issue-equality-claims-and-belief-claims/⁠

Julie Bindel: The Unforgivable Transing of Andrea Dworkin ⁠https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/the-unforgivable-transing-of-andrea⁠

Why Veganism Matters: The Moral Value of Animals by Gary Francione ⁠https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-veganism-matters/9780231199612⁠

Nina’s Gender Wars playing cards: ⁠https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/⁠

How Do I Go Vegan ⁠https://www.howdoigovegan.com/⁠

Nina and Corinna will be guests at the ⁠Unspeakeasy retreat⁠ in Louisville, KY April 9-10! It’s for women only, even though Corinna isn’t one! Sign up and ask what organizer/host Meghan Daum was thinking: ⁠https://www.theunspeakeasy.com/2024-unspeakeasy-retreats

For 8 years, ⁠Ray Alex Williams⁠ claimed to be a woman, zealously promoting transgender ideology, ingesting spirolactone and exogenous estrogen, doing “a lot of twitter activism,” and writing a book about ⁠trans philosophy⁠. In May 2023 he socially and medically detransitioned, issuing ⁠public apologies⁠ shortly thereafter. How did “Rachel Anne Williams” — who just a few years ago was so ⁠“unhinged” he made Grace Lavery “readable”⁠ in comparison — become the lucid, humble, reality-based man we hear in this interview? Listen up, because his story is jam-packed with insights. 

Links:

Ray Alex Williams on Twitter: ⁠https://twitter.com/RayAlexWilliams/⁠

Ray Alex Williams on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@RayAlexWilliams⁠

Rachel Anne Williams takes on Kathleen Stock in 2019: ⁠https://www.peaktrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/ThreadReader_0_transphilosophr_1132859653006680064-1.pdf⁠

Commentary on Rachel Anne Williams taking on Kathleen Stock in 2019: ⁠https://www.peaktrans.org/a-response-to-a-response-to-doing-better-in-arguments-about-sex-gender-and-trans-rights/#more-7728⁠

Ray Alex Williams apologizes in 2023: ⁠https://twitter.com/RayAlexWilliams/status/1735629670618399092⁠

Transgressive: A Trans Woman on Gender, Feminism, and Politics by Rachel Anne Williams (before detransitioning to Ray Alex Williams): ⁠https://www.amazon.com/Transgressive-Trans-Gender-Feminism-Politics/dp/1785926470⁠

Cultish: The Language of Fanaticism by Amanda Montell ⁠https://www.harpercollins.com/products/cultish-amanda-montell⁠

Rob Henderson on Luxury Beliefs: ⁠https://www.robkhenderson.com/p/status-symbols-and-the-struggle-for

Rosie Kay⁠ is a dancer, choreographer, “old-school feminist”, and co-founder of ⁠Freedom In The Arts⁠ in the UK. Both ⁠cancelled⁠ and resurrected, she’s also a fascinating and articulate speaker. She joined the Dorx back in November to talk about dance, brains, arts organizations, making controversial work, the “theater of dehumanization,” liberal values and their discontents, artificial intelligence, Choreography 101, pattern recognition, awkwardness, the decline of physical culture, disembodiment, COVID, dance vs. visual art, arts education, physical education, soldiering, tennis, walking, cycling, and the taboo of excellence. It took us a while to release this episode because at least one of us was paralyzed in a winter slough of despond, but it was worth the wait. 

Links:

Adult Female Dancer by Rosie Kay: ⁠https://youtu.be/1BJvbsnCEB8?si=sx7m3AyOo5REJTI7⁠

Rosie Kay’s dance company K2Co: ⁠https://k-2co.com/⁠

Freedom in the Arts: ⁠https://www.freedominthearts.com/

Corinna and Nina poke at the dead body of the Gender Critical Movement. Cause of death? Illiberalism, revulsion, femagoguery, the narcissism of small differences, group polarization, junior high social dynamics, Calvinism, puritanism, gaslighting, victimhood as currency, and so much more. Plus, Nina gets diagnosed with Crohn’s Disease. Where will the Dorx go from here? Wherever it is, we’ll walk you there, for your own safety.

Links:

Revulsion Revolution: The Protective Power of Disgust by Amy Sousa: ⁠https://www.theknownheretic.com/p/revulsion-revolution-the-protective⁠

The Art Coop (rhymes with “poop”): ⁠https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.html ⁠

Corinna pisses off everyone on Twitter: ⁠https://twitter.com/heterodorx/status/1732028270831440264⁠

ICONS: ⁠https://www.iconswomen.com/⁠

Sex Matters: ⁠https://sex-matters.org/⁠

National Women’s Law Center president Fatima Goss Graves hopes women learn to lose gracefully: ⁠https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1732142697425572018⁠

The Identity Trap by Yascha Mounk: ⁠https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/712961/the-identity-trap-by-yascha-mounk/⁠

Stella O’Malley and Kellie-Jay Keen on Benjamin Boyce: ⁠https://youtu.be/OqG2gYvXm9A?si=oCis3LDOgWepe-JN⁠

JK Rowling says “dress however you please”: ⁠https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033⁠

Librarians once stood for intellectual freedom and access to information, but today many prefer to suppress speech for the sake of a misguided concept of “social justice”. One ⁠Davis, California library⁠ recently violated the First Amendment when they ejected a group of women discussing male athletes in female sports. Collections and programs are regularly distorted and compromised by ideologue librarians, while those watching in dismay fear to speak. Library consultant and advocate ⁠Penny Hummel⁠ breaks the silence to tell the Dorx what’s really happening in America’s libraries.

Links:

Penny Hummel on Twitter: ⁠https://twitter.com/BeeWeave⁠

FIRE article on Davis library violating First Amendment: ⁠https://www.thefire.org/news/california-library-violates-first-amendment-boots-speakers-referring-transgender-women⁠

FIRE’s letter to Yolo County Library: ⁠https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-letter-yolo-county-library-august-24-2023⁠

ALA Webinar, “Transgender People In Libraries”: ⁠https://elearning.ala.org/local/catalog/view/product.php?productid=1005⁠

Does Sex Matter? panel at the Urbana Free Library, 2019: ⁠https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/03/26/q-and-a-from-the-does-sex-matter-panel/⁠

I Am Jazz: ⁠https://socialjusticebooks.org/i-am-jazz/⁠

My Body Is Me by Rachel Rooney: ⁠https://www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me/⁠

Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier: ⁠https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/irreversible-damage-abigail-shrier/1133754701⁠

Gender Queer by Maia Kobabe: ⁠https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Gender-Queer-A-Memoir/Maia-Kobabe/9781549304002⁠

“NO TERFS”: ⁠https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.html

Shannon Thrace is a transwidow and author of the must-read novel ⁠Eighteen Months: A Memoir of a Marriage Lost to Gender Identity⁠. She joins handmaiden pick-me tranny-lover Nina for a women’s-only talk about AUTOGYNEPHILIA, the cause célèbre currently ripping apart the TERFosphere. Is this about safeguarding and holding women’s boundaries, or is it tribal signaling? Why is it OK for David Bowie to crossdress, but not ⁠Phil Illy⁠? Should there be different crossdressing rules for men and women? Who gets to make those rules? Where do we draw our lines? Did Nina wade into a morass or a cesspool? These are questions without definitive answers, except one: Where is Corinna? Answer: at work today, so Nina recorded and edited this episode alone.

Links:

Shannon Thrace’s essay, Genspect and AGPgate: ⁠https://shannonthrace.substack.com/p/genspect-and-agpgate⁠

Nina’s Art Coop “NO TERFS” sign complaint: ⁠https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.html⁠

Genspect Denver conference: ⁠https://genspect.org/the-bigger-picture-continues-denver-colorado/⁠

Phil Illy: ⁠https://substack.com/profile/109324793-phil-illy⁠

This Jungian Life: Aaron Balick – Why Does Social Media Weaponize Our Reactions? ⁠https://thisjungianlife.com/aaron_balick/⁠

Laura Becker/Funk God: ⁠https://www.funkgod.com/

The Dorx discuss recent events with Nina’s ex-boyfriend, Andy the Anti-Zionist. A first-generation American son of a Palestinian Catholic father, Andy was mistreated on a visit to Israel at age 12 and has avowedly opposed the state ever since. We discuss the importance of history, the rise of anti-semitism, media biases, blame, “terrorists,” who is “the little guy,” what is a woman I mean Zionist, ethnic cleansing, whether Israel’s “intelligence failure” was calculated, “both sides,” utopianism, Queers for Palestine, and our dubious future. Despite our differences, this anti-Zionist, non-Zionist, and Zionist all agree: we’re fucked. Next year in Jerusalem!

Links:

Medinat Weimar (for a Jewish state in Germany): ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVGeR4r5hbk&ab_channel=amhaaretz⁠

Samantha Woll, Detroit rabbi stabbed: ⁠https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2023/10/21/samantha-woll-dead-isaac-agree-downtown-detroit-synagogue-president/71271616007/⁠

Illinois lawyer’s antisemitic rant: ⁠https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1715216523915071978⁠

Anna Baltzer: ⁠http://www.annainthemiddleeast.com/⁠

Illinois Muslim boy stabbed: ⁠https://apnews.com/article/muslim-boy-killed-chicago-landlord-will-county-5135dea218326d6e639a996564d9369e⁠

AIPAC: ⁠https://www.aipac.org/⁠

Seder-Masochism (Nina’s animated feature film about Jewish identity): ⁠https://sedermasochism.com/download/