Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) is a family disease, affecting not only “trans kids” but parents and siblings too. Therapist, coach, consultant, and educator Stephanie Winn returns to Heterodorx to illuminate some of the hazards parents and other family members navigate: victimhood as identity, drama triangles, destabilization, enabling secondary gain, estrangement, extreme defensiveness, exacerbating relationship difficulties, “game-able heuristics”, and the trifecta of social contagion. Cori and Nina talk a little about their own family difficulties, while Stephanie describes her course curriculum for parents.

In this life, there’s no perfect parent. Indeed, there’s no perfect person. But there are two perfect people: your co-hosts, Cori and Nina. Happy Holidays from Heterodorx!

 

Links:

 

PITT (Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans): https://www.pittparents.com/

ROGD Repair: https://course.rogdrepair.com/p/rogd-repair

Stephanie’s podcast, You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist: https://www.sometherapist.com/

Stephanie’s “The Nature of the Beast of Gender Ideology” episode: https://youtu.be/RChLTmyepsY?si=R8YQV2OQMkG8PZs_

2023 Ben Appel Heterodorx episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-103-doin-the-12-step-with-ben-appel/

2022 Stephanie Winn episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-75-stephanie-winn-is-some-kind-of-therapist/

AI Art Director, amateur comedian, band-aid specialist, DEI hire, and street researcher Chris Waites returns to Heterodorx — now with 10% more white! After disclosing some shattering news from 23&Me, Chris shares his expertise on AI generated visual art (please follow along on his Instagram page). Is AI art actually art? Does it threaten human art jobs? What are the differences between models such as Midjourney and DALL-E? Are there hot redheaded men? Is AI a tool, or a medium? Why can’t AI imitate Nina’s style? Can redheads have souls? Who produces more crap: humans or AI? What’s the best way to write an AI visual prompt? Can a Pokemon consent? From Tumblr fursona artists to Google Gemini, the time of scarce content is over and a new era of head-spinning disorientation has begun. Bleeeep!

Links:

Chris’s Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/crswaites/

Our 2021 interview with Chris: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-18-a-black-band-aid-for-white-guilt-with-chris-waites/

Nina’s $150 Drawings: https://blog.ninapaley.com/category/hundred-dollar-drawings/

Sarah Anderson vs AI: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/opinion/sarah-andersen-how-algorithim-took-my-work.html

Preston Blair how-to-draw algorithms: https://animationresources.org/category/preston-blair/

Wim Wenders Until The End of the World: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Until_the_End_of_the_World

Chris Waites/Midjourney art for “Kick Out The Jams” https://www.instagram.com/p/DCXDmn3SFX5/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Chris Waites/Midjourney art for “We’re Not Going to Make It” https://www.instagram.com/p/DCXDCX4yUCw/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Chris Waites/Midjourney art for The Presidents of the United States of America https://www.instagram.com/p/DCMkG1rPXm7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

“Bite Marks” by Suno AI & Cori Cohn: https://suno.com/song/fc8fe1ce-dd97-4846-88f1-66701f7e2721

Al Jaffee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jaffee

Don Martin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Martin_(cartoonist)

Google Gemini advises “Please Die” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-chatbot-threatening-message-human-please-die/

Chris on fecebook: https://www.facebook.com/crswaites

Retired MA High Court Justice & WoLF legal powerhouse Elspeth Cypher returns to Heterodorx to discuss US v. Skrmetti, the Supreme Court case that could change the pediatric gender-industrial complex forever. Nina gives a “pedestrian viewpoint” of the hearing before superior legal minds Elspeth and Cori discuss  solicitor generals, attorney generals, constitutional chaos, differentiation, discrimination, Dobbs, Loving, quasi-suspect vs full suspect classification, the equal protection clause, differences between girls and boys, and sissy beer. Nina eventually gets to talk about her FEELINGS on suicidal ideation, the relentless annoyance of youthful distress, child abuse, un-adults, terrifying life processes, and the need to grow up and old. Then we hear Judge TERF’s predictions of the outcome (coming Spring 2025), and Cori reminds everyone he TOLD YOU SO.

Links:

US v Skrmetti: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2024/23-477

US v Skrmetti Supreme Cour Oral Arguments (audio): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/supreme-court-oral-arguments/id1734053538?i=1000679254238

Admiral Levine pressures WPATH: https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/unsealed-court-documents-show-that

Levine as drawn by Nina in the Gender Wars deck: https://www.heterodorx.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/King_clubs.png

“The Alabama case” Boe v. Marshall: https://www.alabamaag.gov/boe-v-marshall/

Don’t Be A Lawyer (from Crazy Ex Girlfriend): https://youtu.be/Xs-UEqJ85KE?si=q89tFjRixG3bFKSH

Cori TOLD YOU SO: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1670098583893291011

Link: Episode 153: Next Year In Jerusalem?

Still on the path to conversion, Corinna updates us on his latest “Jew lessons” and why he kept the surname Cohn instead of anglicizing it to something like SparkleTree. We discuss the loss of oppression points for being Jewish; super-circumcision; antisemitism; and maybe visiting Israel someday. Meanwhile, Nina earns a subsistence wage sewing gloves, endures a Skyrizi On-Body Injector malfunction, talks to a robot, and looks like a grandma. Then we discuss Bluesky’s authoritarian moderation policies. Is telling the truth masochistic? Do liars know they’re lying? Are we losing a tranny, or gaining a Jew? Listen to this surprisingly wide-ranging episode to find out!

 

Links:

Poor audio quality and puns: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-151-fear-of-a-woke-bike-mechanic/

Jewish Literacy by Rabbi Joseph Telushkin: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jewish-literacy-revised-ed-joseph-telushkin?variant=32117445263394

Seder-Masochism: https://sedermasochism.com/download/

Cochin Jews of India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochin_Jews

Nina’s Art Gloves: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/recovery-glovery/

Summer of Glove: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2024/10/28/summer-of-glove/

Crazy podcast full of commercials: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ir3Gp2SDjz2Gmo5ZxQftb

Nina’s Crohn’s Disease treatment: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2024/03/02/my-last-hospital-administered-skyrizi-infusion/

Skyrizi On-Body Injector: https://www.skyrizi.com/skyrizi-complete/gastro/obi-support

Bryan Lunduke: https://lunduke.com/

Cori’s adventures on Bluesky: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1858381907714601083

MysticSymbolic: https://www.mysticsymbolic.art/

Jen Psaki lies on MSNBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcKBpoooM5E

It’s Ma’am! https://youtu.be/EtqCgkOOjYc?si=iOZvAhM4YmpwjYl-

LINK TO EPISODE BECAUSE SPOTIFY CHANGED THEIR WEBSITE YET AGAIN AND THE EMBED CODES VANISHED

Nina scrutinizes Cori’s Jewish pedigree and flaunts her own, while Cori compares Nina to Hitler and Kamala Harris to baloney. Then we discuss last week’s American presidential election! The suspense was killing us, but now we know who won (spoiler alert!) so we can stop compulsively checking our phones and breathe a sigh of relief and/or deranged terror. Cori reviews his history of voting Libertarian, dispenses advice for Democrats, bemoans his neighborhood Kroger, and warns, “all this hyperbole is literally gonna kill somebody.” Shalom, TREFs and Trannies!

Links:

A Short History of the Jewish People by Raymond Scheindlin: https://global.oup.com/ushe/product/a-short-history-of-the-jewish-people-9780195139419?cc=us&lang=en&

Seder-Masochism: https://sedermasochism.com/download/

tref: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tref

haram: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/haram

Tables chairs and oaken chests (NOT cabinets): https://youtu.be/URWa0rbB1Kw?si=VAZnUZ7mv2rORo_v&t=136

Schadenfreude: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schadenfreude

Handmaid’s Tale uniforms: https://x.com/ninapaley/status/1854633563855208545

BRICS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS

Nina’s gloves: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2024/10/28/summer-of-glove/

Nina’s social anxiety disorder impedes proper maintenance of her bicycles, while Corinna’s anti-social disorder compels him to empty an entire canister of dad jokes into the podcast. Are pronouns passé? What is the word for lonely bereaved former cat owners? How much can you round up pi? Plus Nina announces a significant lifestyle change, and shares intimate details about Judge TERF. Don’t forget to leave us a 5-star review unless one of us isn’t wearing a bra, and be sure to smash that “like” button!

Epilogue: the one non-woke bike shop in Nina’s town just got raided by federal agents for illegal firearms and explosives. I’m not kidding. Compelled pronouns or guns, those are your choices for bicycle repair in Champaign-Urbana.

Links:

Nina’s 2022 blog post about gender and cycling: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2022/03/21/cycling-and-gender-intersect-in-meaningful-ways/

Byers Vacuum: http://www.byersvacuum.com/

Golden Harbour: https://www.goldenharboronline.com/

Our Judge TERF interview: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-145-queering-the-law-with-judge-terf/

Nevada Wolf Pack women’s volleyball team boycotts San Jose: https://www.outkick.com/sports/unr-womens-volleyball-shared-stories-protect-womens-athletics

Oskee-Wow-Wow Illinois! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Illiniwek

Alma Otter: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/02/19/the-alma-otter/

Federal Agents Bust Urbana Bike Shop For Illegal Firearms and Explosives: https://www.wcia.com/video/urbana-man-indicted-after-federal-search-reveals-more-than-100-firearms-in-his-home/10153556/

What happens when a butch lesbian who’s been on testosterone 18 years realizes she wants back into womanhood? Whatever it is, prepare for a tidal wave of masculinized women about to do the same. Can women accept women who look like men as their own? How many masculine visual cues (facial hair, baldness) can/will/should other women tolerate? Is this uncomfortable liminal situation the fault of (de)transitioners themselves, or is it everyone’s problem now? Aaron Kimberly discusses her own experiences post-T, including: irreversibility, male-passing forever, the crisis narrative of detransitioners, homophobia fatigue, and insensitive urinal jokes. Plus: turbo-butches, pink bows, the abstract vs the practical, giggling vs belly laughs, tiny heads, symbolic gestures, metoidioplasty, mental health, bowing out of groups, lesbian fashion compliance, Vancouver weirdos, fuzzy Birkenstocks, and elusive but desperately needed NON-affirming healthcare.

 

Links:

Aaron Kimberly on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@aaron.kimberly

Aaron Kimberly substack: https://aaronkimberly.substack.com/

Aaron Kimberly twitter: https://x.com/Aaron_GDAC

Genspect Lisbon conference: https://genspect.org/the-bigger-picture-lisbon/

LGB Alliance: https://lgballiance.org.uk/conference/

LGBT Courage Coalition: https://www.lgbtcourage.org/

Aaron Kimberly playing the banjo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbUOie5y7k&ab_channel=AaronKimberly

Rainbow Connection: https://youtu.be/WS3Lkc6Gzlk?si=jNqw-7J2pLuiH5ya

Aaron Webster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Webster

“She Look Like A Man”: https://youtu.be/b7NrJqV7i2k?si=oRoJhbtkr2psUeN4

The Dorx experience a proliferation of Cories as behavioral scientist Cory Clark shares fascinating observations about victimhood strategies, punishment, tribes, norms, taboos, hyper-cautious conformity, the ambition of academics, scrutiny of unpopular papers, self-censorship, socially costly beliefs, tenure, reputational threats, and socially desirable empirical conclusions that turn out not to be true. Nina signals her victim status as a canceled artist while morally judging cowards; Cori (Cohn) notes how errors in academia spread through society; and Cory (Clark) confesses she is a confessor to many a guilty and frightened professor. It turns out everybody wants power and status, even scientists! Maybe your co-hosts are doing it wrong.

 

Links:

Cory Clark’s website: https://www.coryjclark.com/

Adversarial Collaboration Project: https://web.sas.upenn.edu/adcollabproject/

Cory Clark’s Twitter: https://x.com/ImHardcory

Lisa Selin Davis on the Philly Trans Wellness Conference: https://www.broadview.news/p/fear-and-loathing-and-trans-joy-in

Stereotype Threat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat

Speaking of depression, Cori admits his but Nina sounds so cynically resigned maybe she’s depressed too. After discussing feline euphoria, free speech, hate speech, terrible presidential candidates, and men’s clothing, Cori reveals his misadventures trying to get actual medical care from endocrinologists who prioritize “gender identity” over human health. Nina brags about her postmenopausal testosterone-producing cojones and insists women are more than “estrogen containers”. We’re getting sick of talking about gender but no one will talk to us about AI, and if we continue insulting potential guests no one will talk to us at all. Is this the end of “content”? Listen and decide — but please don’t tell us.

Links:

Nina’s announces write-in candidacy on Twitter while wearing men’s clothing: https://x.com/ninapaley/status/1838284192540491924/photo/2

Judge TERF episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-145-queering-the-law-with-judge-terf/

Will Malone (Endocrinologist) episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-63-ask-an-endocrinologist-with-dr-william-malone/

Women’s volleyball teams refusing to play San Jose State: https://www.christianpost.com/news/womens-volleyball-teams-forfeit-against-sjsu-over-trans-player.html

High school girls’ volleyball player gets concussion from male player: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13693959/payton-mcnabb-volleyball-player-paralyzed-brain-damage-transgender.html

Female athletes sue NCAA: https://www.iconswomen.com/take-on-the-ncaa/

Seder-Masochism (Nina’s movie about Passover): https://sedermasochism.com/download/

Nina’s weird art gloves

apocalypseanimated.com

mysticsymbolic.art

Political commentator and contrarian (but don’t call him that) Richard Hanania talks about his transition from callow supporter of Barack Obama through the fringes of Internet reactionary libertarianism and back to good old fashioned American conservatism, only to find that such a thing hardly exists any more. He tells us that Trump is bad, the Covid vaccine is good, and either extreme is prone to be wrong. Maybe the middle isn’t all that bad? Hanania steps on a copyright landmine, makes cartoon quips, and advocates for cultural changes that would be recognizable to grey-heads like Nina and Corinna who grew up in the 70s and 80s. Is he sincere, or is this a ploy to outrage his audience and expand his social media reach? You decide.

 

Links:

Crying At Starbucks (AI song directed by Corinna): https://suno.com/song/5c8cc286-dc79-4e46-87e2-4c18dd06f8fb

Richard Hanania’s Newsletter: https://www.richardhanania.com/

Links to books, podcasts etc.: https://www.richardhanania.com/about

on twitter: https://x.com/RichardHanania

Please Don’t Call Me “Heterodox”: https://www.richardhanania.com/p/please-dont-call-me-heterodox

Against Intellectual Property by Stephan Kinsella: https://mises.org/library/book/against-intellectual-property

This Land Is Mine: https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=YRDGf5mspFd9K60t